Pandemia: How Coronavirus Hysteria Took Over Our Government, Rights, and Lives - Alex Berenson
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The most important fact about the coronavirus pandemic that turned the world upside down in 2020 is that our response to it has been an epic overreaction driven by a disastrous confluence of public and private interests - all of them purporting to “follow the science”.
Since the lockdowns began, millions of Americans have relied on the reporting of Alex Berenson. Exposing the hysteria and manipulation behind the worst failure of public policy since World War I, this clear-eyed journalist has been a critical source of reason and truth.
The product of relentless investigation and research, Pandemia explains how an illness that many people will never even know they had became the occasion for economically ruinous lockdowns and the suppression of personal freedom on a previously unimaginable scale. Dispassionate, factual, and untainted by any agenda other than telling the truth, this is the account that pandemic-weary Americans desperately need.
Listening Length: 11 hours and 10 minutes
https://www.amazon.com/Pandemia-Coronavirus-Hysteria-Government-Rights/dp/B09MJP6JCP
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This post has 93 comments with rating of 4.6/5
November 25th, 2021
As somebody who has lost friends and family to this virus, this sort of thing just makes me angry now.
November 25th, 2021
It wasn’t just America. Pretty much every country took action to combat the amount of people catching the virus, overwhelming hospitals, and dying.
When they followed the advice of scientists regarding social distancing, mask wearing and lockdowns, it made an impact in reducing the amount of cases. That’s not up for debate, that’s just fact.
5 million people have died of Covid so far. That’s a number that dwarfs the amount of lives lost on 9/11 and the following war on terror.
If you have a problem with wearing a mask but you had no issue with detaining brown people without legal representation, you’re a grade-A prick.
November 25th, 2021
@valkyrie - We’re in the same boat. Too many people, gone too soon.
“The most important fact about the coronavirus pandemic…is that our response to it has been an epic overreaction” - There was I thinking that the most important fact is all the people we’ve lost. That shows how disordered are my priorities.
It’s not the overreaction that’s the problem; where I live the neighbouring state to our own negligently & mindlessly underreacted, thereby operating as an incubator for a more infectious variant, which then killed greater numbers in my own country. This kind of stupidity costs lives.
November 25th, 2021
Lol. 8 million have died of smoking related diseases in the same time as 5 million died “with” not “of” Covid.
Have they banned cigarettes? No.
Do masks work? No. Both the Danish study and CDC research show this.
Did masking and locking down work? No. Sweden remains no worse off than anywhere else and the initial early death rate was due to “pulling a Cuomo” and shoving sick old people into care homes rather than hospitals.
Much of the initial death rate was due to intubation a lethal practice that should never have been used. It was done in panic, not reason.
Is the vaccine even a vaccine by any traditional definition? No.
Does it work? According to The Lancet, this week, it does not prevent transmission, contagion or even reduce peak viral load. That sounds like “No” to me.
Does it appear that there are serious issues with non-Covid related mortality that could most rationally be explained by the vaccination program? Yes.
Is this more serious than Hong Kong flu? No.
Do they throw this much money at heart disease (kills 1 in 3 people) or cancer (1 in 4)? No.
If this somehow adds up for you, it’s because you’re Jack and you lack the intellect to balance risk effectively. That’s OK. In our wonderful “most education generation in history” it appears no-one can use a calculator or draw a rational conclusion.
I know though a bunch of journalists without science degrees are now qualified to explain science via the Jacks of this world who also have no qualifications in science.
Places like the Oxford Center for Evidence Based Medicine? The world’s leading authority on infectious disease pre-pandemic. They must be ignored for the “scienceTM”.
Berenson has been one of the very few rational voices in a sea of stupid.
And having worked for big pharma and obtained a science degree that none of you armchair and Facebook experts have - I can tell you if you trust big pharma, it’s because you have been sleepwalking through the last 5 decades of non-stop abuse.
November 25th, 2021
JFC GordonCoon you should shampoo my crotch while you’re on a role.
November 25th, 2021
Yay, Gordon!!! Thank you!! As many have pointed out, if you want to get rid of Corona Virus, then make it absolutely illegal for any hospital, company, government to make any money from it and it’ll be gone in a week. Cheers!
November 25th, 2021
Over 40 million people a year die from preventable metabolic illnesses. How come we are not be “vaccinated” against this? This is not about health and wellness, it is about power, money and control.
November 25th, 2021
60 million people die every year worldwide. Why don’t we vaccinate to prevent births? If you want to reduce the argument to absurdity lets go all in ^^
November 25th, 2021
Just take horse dewormers and inject disinfectant. And when you need medical help DONT goto doctors, or hospital.
Because why goto someone thats study, trainned and practised medicine for many years. When you can just get your medical advice on facebook and youtube
November 25th, 2021
Well done Gordon, literally everything you said was complete bollocks.
Choosing to kill yourself by smoking is a choice. Dying of Covid doesn’t tend to be intentional. But yes, there are plenty of laws and regulations in place across the world regarding where you can and can’t smoke. And much like the Covid restrictions, it’s for the benefit of other peoples’ wellbeing.
Regarding the Danish study “the trial is inconclusive rather than negative, and it points to a likely benefit of mask wearing to the wearer” https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4586
The CDC didn’t say that cloth masks weren’t effective, they said they were less effective than medical grade masks. But still better than no mask. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article
Yes, lockdowns DO work to reduce the spread of the virus. https://ghrp.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s41256-021-00204-4
If you’re being intubated, that’s generally a last resort where everything else has failed. Of course the correlation is high, but it’s correlation, not causation. That’s like saying “it’s the nursing homes and hospitals that kill people, that’s why so many deaths are in nursing homes and hospitals”, completely ignoring the fact that’s where the elderly and ill tend to be.
The ‘traditional definition’ of a vaccine (a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.) literally applies to the covid vaccines.
The Lancet published an article, not a peer reviewed study. It conflated two different efficacy measures to give the false impression that the vaccines are far less effective than advertised.
Try something peer reviewed from the BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1088
You genuinely believe there hasn’t been as much money sunk into cancer research or heart disease than there has Covid? Completely ignoring that you can’t vaccinate for either of those things, and that they’re not communicable, there are plenty of laws, rules and regulations surrounding items that can cause cancer or heart disease.
I’m glad you mentioned the Oxford Center for Evidence Based Medicine and hold them in high regard. They have plenty of studies proving the polar opposite of pretty much everything you’ve said. Like this one.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/measuring-vaccine-efficacy-from-population-data/,
You have a complete aversion to the scientific method, instead relying on misinformation and intentionally bastardized nonsense you’ve gotten from social media, even when it flies in the face of scientific consensus. You’re putting stock in the word of a journalist whose field of expertise is economics, technology and media. Not science or medicine. You talk about ‘journalists without science degrees’, those are EXACTLY the people you’re getting your information from. Projecting much?
You having worked for ‘big pharma’ and having a science degree is laughable. If you ever had any qualifications in the sciences, you ought to hand them back in shame.
November 25th, 2021
Overreaction? Presumably this guy is talking about the USA, where 800,000 are dead, and probably 3/4 of them unnecessarily due to Trump deciding to downplay and ignore it. The Republicans are locked in to that strategy now, creating a whole worldview of conspiracies and denial.
Meanwhile countries like Australia which acted fairly rationally, if not perfectly, have 1/50 th of the per capita death toll.
While back in the US, Republicans spend their effort trying to block any preventative measures, discourage masks or vaccines, demonise anyone who tries to save their lives. Same as their attitude to climate change, demographic change, so at least they are consistent in their retreat from reality.
November 25th, 2021
And as for the complete nonsense of GordonRacialSlur: “does the vaccine even work”. There are at least 5 different vaccines made by different companies, using different technologies, and all approved by hundreds of different medical authorities in 200 countries after reviewing the results of a year of trials.
And you just blow them all off as fake.
You’re insane, suicidally and homicidally, as only a committed American RWNJ a can be.
November 25th, 2021
I personally think that Mr G.Coon is just a booger in aprox. human form, craving for attention. So he writes any old contrary thing. And he starts most of them with “lol”. So far he hasn’t add anything even remotely funny.
November 25th, 2021
GordonRacialSlur has me starting to seriously consider the lizard people conspiracy theories. There are folks that don’t have a single empathetic bone in their pathetic, incapable bodies. It’s revolting, as is the premise of this book.
November 25th, 2021
I give thanks to this gold mine of comment section at audiobookbay on Thanksgiving. Earlier this year we were warned the Delta variant is coming. Too many countries let it run free and millions of lives were lost. Now at the end of year 2021, a new warning about the Nu variant is coming and I think it’s not going to end well because of these dumb views and their dumber followers (sigh)
November 25th, 2021
Jack(ass)_Milad: Once again you have the wrong take. “Dying of Covid doesn’t tend to be intentional.”
Actually it IS: most people who die from covid are obese. They WILLFULLY did that to themselves and refuse to take care of themselves.
November 25th, 2021
Gweilo: And as for the complete nonsense of : “does the vaccine even work”
That’s not nonsense. We DON’T have vaccines. We have TREATMENTS touted as such. The CDC themselves stated what we have does NOT prevent infection or spread. They FINALLY got around to doing studies that others had already done and confirmed the results back in August
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html
November 25th, 2021
valkyrie_odinsdottir
I’m sorry for your loss, but that doesn’t change the facts or make this a lie. The best thing you can do for covid is to EXERCISE and improve your diet to your weight if you’re overweight, supplement with zinc and vitamin D, and if you are just determined to remain fat and on a diet of junk food, THEN…take the “vaccine”, but know that it won’t keep you safer than just taking care of yourself and getting in shape. If you get covid, you probably WILL go to the hospital and have a worse outcome than a non-obese person, who will just have something like a bad flu with a cough…but they’ll recover at home. I’ve seen it over and over at my job and among family: overweight, go to the hospital for like a week, not overweight, spend a few days bedridden, then “Dude…I had covid! I didn’t even know. Felt like a bad cold.”
November 25th, 2021
Thank you, to the people in the comments section… get used to books like this, it was clearly the biggest scam we’ll all ever live through.
November 25th, 2021
@Rhio2k such a compassionate take. SOME of the people who die from covid are obese. It can be a factor, yes. But obesity on it’s own didn’t kill those people. Catching a communicable disease did. Unless you can show me they wanted to catch covid, your argument is wrong.
And well done on your utter ignorance of what a vaccine is and does. A treatment is something you take after the fact to reduce symptoms. You don’t start treatment for cancer before you have cancer. Taking the vaccine when you already have covid wont treat anything.
And it does reduce the severity of symptoms, which also reduces the spread because you’re less likely to be coughing and sneezing everywhere.
Jesus christ, you anti-vaxers are ridiculous.
November 25th, 2021
Jack, lockdowns do NOT reduce spread. Non-authoritarians have actually faced and admitted that, while those who get off on power over others while they themselves got to move about freely continue to institute lockdowns. They are sociopaths who don’t care who they hurt. They jus want control of others. Lockdowns DO cause suicides and domestic abuse to skyrocket, however. Infection rates continue to rise, probably because people who normally WOULDN’T, sneak over to other people’s houses for the sheer need of human contact. One simple fact: nobody takes away non-criminals’ freedom for anyone’s sake but their own egomania.
November 25th, 2021
Jack_Milad “such a compassionate take.”
Also, stop with that pathetic shaming language, you sound like a woman. MEN state facts, regardless of what others think of them, because a man is secure in himself. I’m not the modern feminized, cowardly man that needs a mob at his back to feel brave, but alone is afraid others will think I’m a bad person and can be cowed out of saying what needs to be heard. Judge me if you wish. I do not fear that judgement, and I will not temper my tongue to suit your delicate sensibilities. These FACTS need to be stated.
November 25th, 2021
Wow, quite a lot of comments. Enjoy the book.
I feel coronavirus is a 70+ problem, and the response hasn’t reflected that at all. The lack of explanation of that by the government is an outright lie and evil.
Anyways, not much can be said about to the Corona feared, they’ve become a cult. A fear cult. And facts can’t change that religious belief.
I read a short book called “The United States of Fear”, that’s quite good. Also CJ Hopkins substack posts on the “Covid Cult”.
In a few weeks Scott Atlas’ book shall come out. That should also be informative.
In the meantime, I’m concerned about government now, not covid. The real danger is government. Government totalitarianism. An Iron Curtain is descending…
November 25th, 2021
@Rhio2k, you’re insane.
November 25th, 2021
@Gweilo
By all means, state your reason for thinking this.
November 25th, 2021
United States of Fear: How America Fell Victim to a Mass Delusional Psychosis
by Mark McDonald
if others are interested.
November 26th, 2021
@AndyBook: “mass delusional psychosis”. Yeah, maybe can explain antivaxxers, Qanon, baby eaters, Jewish space lasers, dead people voting, false flags, crisis actors, CRT, Sidney Powell, Lindell.
@Rhio2k: you have done so far more eloquently than I could.
November 26th, 2021
I know a 26 year athlete that went to our church and graduated from a rival Highschool. Great kid, ran track and played football. He was diagnosed on a Thursday and died that next Sunday. He was not overweight and had no previous underlying health conditions. You sir need to STFU! Yes I are more at risk if ur unhealthy but covid is a virus that is not alive unless it’s changing. Think about what if someone that is stupid reads what you have written and then dies because he didn’t get vacinated or spread it to his parents and killed them. I guess that wouldnt bother u one bit. Because they were fat and didn’t take care of themselves.
November 26th, 2021
I know a 26 year athlete that went to our church and graduated from a rival Highschool. Great kid, ran track and played football. He was diagnosed on a Thursday and died that next Sunday. He was not overweight and had no previous underlying health conditions. You sir need to STFU! Yes u are more at risk if ur unhealthy but covid is a virus that is not alive unless it’s changing. Think about what if someone that is stupid reads what you have written and then dies because he didn’t get vacinated or spread it to his parents and killed them. I guess that wouldnt bother u one bit. Because they were fat and didn’t take care of themselves.
November 26th, 2021
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November 26th, 2021
Thanks so much for sharing
November 26th, 2021
@bamacowboy1
What part of “Does not prevent spread or infection” don’t you understand? If he got the shot, he still would have gotten covid, and still could have spread it. He might still be around though. Sorry for your loss. Do you know of any other things he may have been doing? Vaping, maybe? Really popular with young people, also increases chances of bad outcomes with Covid. The Biden administration is lying about what the shots do. They were created to soften the blow of infection so people weren’t killed by their own immune system’s over-reaction upon infection, called “cytokine storm”, that was killing people. The reason covid is still out of control is because we have NO WAY to stop it. The so-called vaccines are only to handle cytokine storm. That’s all they do. That’s why you have cases skyrocketing in countries where “vaccination” rates are over 90%, and hospitals are full of “vaccinated” people. We still have no way to prevent ANY coronavirus from infecting people: the common cold, Swine flu, SARS, bird flu, this. All you can do is get infected and survive the symptoms.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html
November 26th, 2021
(Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/
Even your own Government know Ivermectin is ‘a’ cure
November 26th, 2021
@Rhio2k lockdowns do reduce the spread of Covid. It’s been proven repeatedly. How is anyone meant to take anything else you day seriously when you’re arguing with an established fact? Lockdowns DO present their own set of problems, but saying that lockdowns don’t do anything to deduct the spread of Covid is outright wrong.
It’s a pity really, because you do have a couple of valid points. But the fact that your core premise is wrong means we can’t have an honest and open discussion about these things.
As for ’shaming language’, if you were that masculine and secure as you claim, you’d have let a little barb like that bounce right off you. Don’t claim you’re not speaking from a place of emotion when your first interaction with me was to call me a childish name.
Also, cite the sources for your claims. Show us something that’s been peer reviewed by people in their field to support your claims. Just saying “lockdowns don’t prevent the spread of covid” without anything to back it up screams “I get all my information from facebook”. Which I strongly suspect is the case since the majority of things you’re saying are entirely wrong and/or mental conspiracy theories.
November 26th, 2021
@leadingnorth I’ll let you in on a secret. You can always tell when someone has no medical knowledge if they use the word ‘cure’ to describe a treatment.
Much less evidence to support Ivermectin’s effectiveness as a treatment than there is the vaccine’s effectiveness as a preventative measure at that.
‘Moderate certainty’, ‘early’, ‘may’, and ‘apparent’ are also doing some heavy lifting in that except you just chose.
November 26th, 2021
@leadingnorth I am almost as unqualified as you in reading medical research. However, your reference is obsolete, was dated Jun 21 2021.
It was followed up by e.g.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8406455/ on Jul 28, updated 7 October 2021.
“Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat people with COVID‐19 in the inpatient and outpatient settings and to prevent a SARS‐CoV‐2 infection in people after having high‐risk exposure. There is also no evidence available from the study pool as to which is the best dose and regimen of ivermectin. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized controlled trials (RCTs).”
Which all adds up to, it is NOT A CURE. Of course it’s not, or every doctor and hospital would be using it, not just the snake oil salesmen selling online to redhat wackos.
FFS. What is wrong with you loonies? Why insist on taking antimalarials, antifungals, anything except the only thing that is proven to be safe and effective? You seem perversely determined to not only poison yourselves, which I am fine with, but ensure the pandemic lasts forever.
You’d rather believe in some conspiracy to — kill everyone? Take over the world somehow? Make everyone magnetic/transgender/muslim/?
November 26th, 2021
This is a good one for all the Typhoid Marys
November 26th, 2021
https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2021/10/24
November 26th, 2021
Magnetic? I hadn’t heard that 1 before. And you encounter a lot of cranky oddities here in the frivolous argument section & elsewhere; chemicals in the water turning people into camp Muslims; Paul is still dead; fat people are intrinsically evil & have it coming; old people have gotta go coz we need their life essence/vapour - & enough with the bingo; all those scary women people are incapable of logic (& possibly evil - but definitely scary. I know because I’m Fact Man, the logically virile avenger), etc.
But the vaccine still hasn’t turned me into Magneto, for some reason.
And here our ICUs are still of unvaccinated, vulnerable people.
“Scientists are part of an evil conspiracy to deceive the public and I have the dubious, cherry-picked, internet scientific studies to prove it.”
And Baby Yoda arrived the same year as Covid - fact! Why isn’t this clear causative factor being investigated? Bill Gates, that’s the why of it!
November 26th, 2021
ICUs are still full of unvaccinated, vulnerable people.
November 26th, 2021
Over 80% of the population have had at least one vaccination dose. 80 to 90% of hospital admissions in the UK right now are unvaccinated people.
It’s not a coincidence. Vaccines work. At this point only a complete mentalcase doesn’t understand that.
November 26th, 2021
Jack, “peer reviews” are HARDLY reliable, especially when an agenda is evident and the subject has become massively politicized. Science is not “agreed upon”, but in the case of covid, even if something has had studies done that prove effective treatment, because the “agreed-upon” science can tolerate no treatment other than those provided by the vaccine manufacturers the US has a billion-dollar contract with, merit will not be granted and all alternatives will be dismissed out of hand. They’re basically gatekeeping so these manufacturers will face no threat to profits. And again, it’s obvious it’s ONLY about profit because it makes no sense to give the shots to juveniles and younger. Covid DOESN’T affect them, and the shots have been noted to NOT prevent infection or spread, they only lessen severity of infection. When “the science” makes no sense, follow the money and all becomes clear.
November 26th, 2021
And right on cue, when things start calming down…NEW VARIANT!! Keep the fear strong!! Even if it IS a new variant, virii always mutate to become WEAKER because their goal is never to kill, but to SURVIVE. The fewer problems they cause their host, the longer they survive. People tend to forget virii are living organisms and they aren’t suicidal. They mutate for their own extended survival chances, and subsequently, a lesser impact on their hosts. How much you want to bet the media message will be “this “new variant” is the most dangerous yet!”?
November 26th, 2021
The definition for “vaccine” was changed JUST for these shots to qualify them for FDA approval, because these do not confer immunity or elicit an immune response to do so (the PREVIOUS definition of “vaccine” before 2021)…because MRNA is TREATMENT/THERAPY, not immunization. Tricky marketing. There IS no vaccine for ANY coronavirus. MRNA is not and never HAS been an immunization, but is a method of gene therapy for an existing infection, previously cancer, now covid.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/294852
“Pfiizer, Moderna, Dr Anthony Fauci and Dr Soumya Swaminathan, the WHO’s chief scientist, have made it abundantly clear that the novel mRNA strand entering the cell is not intended to stop transmission but rather as a treatment.”
https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/bill-gates-admits-mrna-vaccines-arent-working/
November 26th, 2021
@Rhio2k: ok, we give up. Just stop now. Please.
November 26th, 2021
Gweilo, I’m not trying to batter people into submission, I’m just providing facts. Compare that to the media message (keep in mind that they are DEFINITLY on their own narrative because they still fail to acknowledge the CDC themselves and various other sources confirming the shots do not prevent spread or infection), see what makes more sense once you have some knowledge under your belt. None of the stuff coming from Mainstream media and the Biden administration makes sense, and indeed, comes off as shady as hell. The government is now paying Marvel and DC to advertise for the shots…to a population that is UNAFFECTED by covid. The only thing that makes sense is they’re trying to secure maximum profits for the shot manufacturers the US government is in contract with. If the government started pushing chemotherapy for EVERONE instead of just cancer sufferers on a new narrative that chemo supposedly prevented cancer, would that make sense to you? This is an equivalent situation. I’m out. I hope you all had a had Thanksgiving.
November 26th, 2021
*HAPPY* Thanksgiving.
November 26th, 2021
Truthiness to all & to all a tin hat!
(The conspiracy is so fiendishly clever that all you really need to unravel it is an unhealthy dose of demented paranoia & an internet connection. Funny that all con theories are like that…)
November 26th, 2021
Makes sense if you actually look into it instead of just sticking your fingers into your ears…then have it confirmed a year or 2 later.
November 26th, 2021
You’re talking completely insane conspiracies.
You have lost all connection to reality.
November 26th, 2021
…the other prereq being an elementary school equivalency qualification - and multiple sources with comparable academic distinctions.
November 26th, 2021
@Rhio2k So an 11 month op-ed and a private website which ran a 43 word article based on a tweet by a guy who runs ‘rebel news’ (great site btw, got to admire the journalistic integrity of any news outlet which has a founder of the Proud Boys as a contributor).
But sure, scientific papers which have met academic standards and passed scrutiny from people who are informed and qualified experts in their appropriate fields must be lying.
You’ve got to be intentionally trolling right? Surely there’s nobody alive as dim as you’re pretending to be?
November 26th, 2021
@Jack: it’s not stupidity, it’s mental illness. Half of the US is in full denial of reality and any facts that contradict their narrative don’t disprove it, they are just proof of nefarious schemes by some cabal. Bill Gayes, Fauci, the Rothschilds, Marvel Comics, Hugo Chavez, all part of an enormous evil scheme to create a fake virus to force everyone to be locked down while the pod people slowly replace them one by one.
November 26th, 2021
@Gweilo Unfortunately it’s a problem that extends far beyond the US. We’ve got more than our fair share of mental cases in the UK.
I especially enjoyed the ones that were holding protests against lockdown. A month after lockdown had already been lifted. Whether it was stupidity or mental illness, that was a beautiful moment.
November 26th, 2021
Gweilo
Yeah, I’M insane…but YOU believe if you’re vaccinated, people who aren’t can somehow infect you with the same thing you’re supposedly vaccinated against…even if they don’t have it.
November 26th, 2021
@Rhio2k you are actually utterly insane. You dont understand how vaccines work so you’re projecting your own ignorance onto other people and claiming that they’re making wild claims that they never actually said.
How are you even alive? Darwin himself should be climbing out of his grave to strangle you to death.
November 26th, 2021
Wow, that’s a lot of comments. I wanted to recommend this video to others. It relates to the variant.
Malone, Navarro On Vaccine Resistant Variants/Supervirus
November 26, 2021
https://rumble.com/vpuevd-episode-1441-malone-navarro-on-vaccine-resistant-variantssupervirus.html
November 26th, 2021
Just imagine if there was not such thing as vaccine. When a pandemic comes along the world would see a culling of humanity as it did when the “Black Death” ran riot throughout Europe and Asia. There are many varying estimates but a mid range guess would be that it reduced the population by about 50% or around 130 Million people.
So all these anti-vaxers, anti-maskers etc can go off to their own planet and in no time at all we’d be rid of their idiocy.
The best examples I can see of how to manage COVID-19 are those of New Zealand and Australia. Both have so far come through this pandanemic with relatively few deaths. Their vaccination rates are approaching 80 to 90 percent. Hopefully the new Omicon variant from South Africa won’t undo all their efforts.
November 27th, 2021
@Acanthrohu Honestly at this point, I’m done with the anti-vaxxers enough that yeah, if it were just them, I’d be okay with letting them rid the world of their nonsense.
The problem is, as they’re dying, they’re occupying ICU beds that might be needed if my 87yo grandmother has another stroke, or her congestive heart failure gets bad enough, or my 68yo mother suddenly can’t breathe due to her pulmonary issues, or my 14yo son gets hit by a car.
November 27th, 2021
@ChazWylde - That’s becoming a major issue now, which, regrettably, could cause a good deal of hostility. Just to say that there are a very small minority who, for various reasons, cannot take the vaccine. They’re in a difficult spot, and it’s not a silly, imaginary ideological thing with them.
November 27th, 2021
@AndyBook: a video on Rumble, from Navarro.
Add Alex Jones, fold your own tinfoil cap and you’d have the perfect storm.
Navarro is the guy who tried to get rid of Fauci because he was contradicting the White House’s “it will all go away if we ignore it” strategy for Covid.
November 27th, 2021
The venn diagram of anti-vaxxers and MAGA chuds is basically circle.
If you could all do the rest of us a favour - take yourselves off to somewhere quiet, dose each other with horse paste and leave the rest of us alone - the world would be so much more pleasant.
November 27th, 2021
Thank you very much, AndyBook. This is excellent stuff.
November 27th, 2021
@caesar963 Yes, that situation does happen, and I feel for that small minority, because their lives are being both jeopardized and complicated by chucklenuts like the author of this book and adherents to the philosophy behind it.
Which is the point I’m actually trying to make. If the anti-vaxxers who are just coming up with all these convoluted and scientifically ignorant rationale to avoid the vaccine (because they somehow think getting the vaccine is giving Biden a “win” (lbr, they would be lining up around the block to get jabbed if The Former Guy were still in charge) are endangering the groups most at risk already, either because they’re carelessly infecting unsuspecting, unable-to-be-vaccinated/immunocompromised people, or because they’re hogging resources needed by people who are injured or ill through no fault of their own.
November 27th, 2021
…somehow my last paragraphs disappeared.
I meant to add:
If people want to play Russian roulette with the virus, fine, that’s their choice. Let them kill themselves.
But I would say to them the same thing I would say to someone about to jump off an overpass onto a busy interstate and cause a catastrophic accident:
Kill yourself if you want, but avoid taking anyone else with you.
November 27th, 2021
How are they taking anyone else with them, if you don’t mind my asking? Are they taking precious vaccine from anybody else’s system by not taking it themselves?
November 27th, 2021
@Chaz - It’s hard to sympathise with self-inflicted maladies. Unless their “vaccine hesitancy” is all merely an elaborate attempt to rationalise needle phobia & fear of being penetrated. Who the F likes needles anyway?
Bookwhore - They’re operating as voluntary vectors for the infection. “Superspreading” & assisting in the development of more virulent variants. In addition, they’re blocking ICU beds from people who have been more responsible & considerate of those around them.
November 27th, 2021
@caesar,
Occupying beds, really? Come on C, I expected better from you. Do they not have medical insurance, or something? Oh, they do? So what’s the problem then? Maybe because the other 50-80% of total hospital resources is occupied by patients suffering from obesity and smoking related diseases. But I understand THEIR particular brand of recklessness is their CHOICE. Talking about double standards here.
Why do we sympathize with THEM, surely they inflicted their maladies, diabetes, wrecked joints, high blood pressure, heart failures, strokes and lung cancers upon themselves, all in the name of „personal choice”?
I know you’re otherwise pretty clever guy, but sorry, in this case you’re suffering from both double standards and blindspots, understandably induced by losing loved ones to this virus. My condolences. Me personally, I’ve lost my father and three uncles to smoking, but I’m not going around yelling medical care should be suspended to those who just can’t keep screwing up their (and other people’s) lungs with known carcinogen.
I’m also not seeing motions toward banning obese people from public services without showing valid gym membership card.
“Voluntary vectors”, huh? Nice little mouthful, too bad it doesn’t mean a bloody thing. Unfortunately it’s more of a political, marketing and rhetorical invention forged conveniently for fearmongering purposes, when some unrully little fcks (half of human population) dare to question „science” that just doesn’t make sense, and, oh sad state of humanity, refuses to take it for face value. But it does sound scientific, no doubt about it so I understand you could have easily fallen for it.
If it’s supposed to mean something along the lines unvaccinated are risks for responsible individuals who did take vaccine, then I don’t know. Because, like, aren’t they supposed to be oh so protec-ted?
Well, I guess next time on the beach I have to ask the people around me to please put on the sunscreen on themselves because I don’t want to get sunburned.
As for the “superspreading”. It’s another of those mouthfuls, one of those pseudo-scientific constructs pulled out of someone’s ass, but I’ll play along. Who’s supersrpeading, really? At what point, percentage, or anything, does spreading become „su-per”? Because, you do know that vaccinated people are spreading it too? And when 100% of population is vaccinated for limited number of strains, still catching the same strains of virus (although with weaker symptoms, hopefully), and other strains with full vengeance, giving it virtual infinite opportunity to mutate to something real bad… What. Then?
After all is said and done, we will all find each other on the same crossroad with only one of the roads not being taken yet. And that is the fact that every person on this planet will have to catch this bug at some point or the other and that’s the only way herd immunity will be achieved. Until then, as you say, we are just giving it more and more time to mutate into something far worse than it is now.
DISCLAIMER: I’m fully aware that for those who died mortality is 100%. For me, every life lost if one whole universe of valuable viewpoints, modes of existence and contributions that won’t repeat itself any more. However, in grand scheme of things, the mortality is very low at something far less than 1%. Did it warrant the shtstorm of political panic and hysteria, and actual worsening the outcome by prolonging the unavoidable? Think not.
So, as always, I believe level-headedness and open mind with all the risk of people wanting to put stuff there is the best course of action. How easily do we forget the basic history. At any point in time, any big or small event, initial response of humanity was a knee jerk that proved subpaar in retrospect. Think about it. In every moment, every event in the history, we could have done better. As for the science, as well as medical community, with all due respect, they all had their incredible share of just mind boggling blindspots at ever-single-moment in their development. But somehow, people always think those two sectors are be all and end all of human achievement.
They also forget, or never learned, that human rights violations never resulted in anything good. There’s ALWAYS a blowback and that’s exactly what’s happening right now. Pharma and doctors were dismissing intelligence of those they’re supposed to serve for years, and weak vaccine acceptance is what they got for their trouble. After this, it’ll only be worse.
The very medical community you trust so unquestionably took several decades just to accept the fact they need to wash hands between operations. They also killed the guy, that damn „conspiracy theorist” who dared to propose such inane idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semmelweis_reflex
How and why do you know something similar isn’t happening right now? I’m not saying that it is, but how do you KNOW?
You all are supposed reader of the books. Unfortunately, in the way of arguments, there’s nothing but name calling, insulting and dismissing the people who dare to think different as insane, stupid or uninformed. You ignore mentions of scientific facts, dubious logic and glaring inconsistencies even when they come from reputable, scientific sources. Those little Semmelweises of our time. It’s very disappointing, but its also exactly the way good propaganda works.
So I still didn’t hear any scientific argument for vaccinating kids and babies? Well, as somebody else said, I guess I’ll just look at the trace of the money then and have my answer. It’s always the most probable direction the truth lies anyway.
Long story short, let people who think differently have their choice, same as they’re letting you have yours.
Peace and let’s enjoy the good books.
November 27th, 2021
What can I tell ya? We’re in a very immediate crisis; there’s an illness which the vast majority of the population can mitigate the symptoms of - right now, rather than long term (as with obesity) - & given the level of the pandemic, those ICU beds are desperately needed.
At least people must take a dose of reality, if nothing else.
You can’t hit people with that sunscreen analogy & then complain about blindness & foolishness.
We have more than 93% vaccination rates here, & 70% of those in ICU are unvaccinated. So yeah, their symptoms are critically, life-threateningly worse.
WHO estimate that we’ve lost well over 100000 healthcare workers to the illness.
Over in the U.S. COVID is the deadliest pandemic in their history; & their third-leading cause of death in 2020, behind heart disease & cancer. From 2019 to 2020, U.S. life expectancy dropped by 3 yrs for Hispanic Americans, 2.9 yrs for African Americans, and 1.2 yrs for white Americans. Currently, almost 70% of people have at least one dose, with almost 60% fully vaccinated. So, the message is getting through for most Americans.
Falling for facts again.
November 27th, 2021
@bookwhore: so you’re happy to accept 1% death rate of Covid rather than .0001% for vaccination. For the world, that adds up to 80 million or so. 3 million in the US. That’s the cost of your plan. What’s the benefit? Sticking it to big pharma , by instead of taking a vaccine that earns them say $10, you are in ICU and earn them 1000 times that. Or you can’t get a bed in the ICU and die,because they’re 10 rimes over capacity with antivaxxers.
Your whole screed screams that you can’t conceive you will ever really suffer consequences. And you just don’t care how your choice would affect the community.
November 27th, 2021
@Bookwhore - It also didn’t occur to you that you’re on the wrong side of the Semmelweis reflex.
Dr. Semmelweis wasn’t arguing for taking no sensible precautions, thereby increasing severe illness & mortality. Just the opposite, in point of fact.
Moreover, those hospital beds are probably going to be imminently required by people suffering from acute nervous exhaustion from having to repeatedly explain elementary facts to chronic reality-deniers.
November 27th, 2021
@Bookwhore:
“How are they taking anyone else with them, if you don’t mind my asking? Are they taking precious vaccine from anybody else’s system by not taking it themselves?”
Ceasar already explained this (more than once, I suspect) aside from which, it’s so patently obvious that I can only assume you’re being deliberately obtuse on the issue. Aside from the virus, heart attack patients are dying while being shuttled from one hospital to another looking for a bed (one man in Texas or Arkansas, I believe, died after trying to find space in over 30 hospitals, I believe in multiple states.) A couple months ago, the state of Arkansas had 8 ICU beds. For. The. Whole. State. 8 beds.
All this nonsense about obesity and smoking is an attempt to derail the discussion and it isn’t going to work. Yes, those are both difficult issues for healthcare providers and patients alike, but the HAVE NOT EVER overrun ICUs to the point where AN ENTIRE STATE only has 8 ICU beds open. So give it up.
And I’ll add one more bullet point to the ones that Ceasar already laid out:
Physicians and nurses are utterly EXHAUSTED at this point. They’ve been dealing with overflowing ICUs and hostile patients who are endangering them both via contagion and via the threat of harassment/violence. For almost two years now, multiple doctors and/or nurses have been shot, physically assaulted and/or sued for:
–administering the vaccine to someone’s spouse when that someone didn’t approve of the vaccine
–not administering Ivermectin and/or hydroxychloroquine to a COVID patient
–having the audacity to prioritize science over rhetoric
They’re starting to quit in droves. The federal government is sending doctors (I assume military doctors, but I’m not entirely certain) to Michigan because there’s such a desperate shortage of providers in their overflowing hospitals.
Take a moment to imagine having a heart attack, and being unable to find space in a hospital, or if you’re lucky enough to find space, finding the doctors and nursing staff are all too overworked to help you effectively, or are so exhausted they’re making harmful, perhaps even fatal, mistakes.
“But but but… personal freedomz!!!111″
The fact of the matter is, by longstanding legal tradition, personal liberties are curtailed when they conflict with the public good, particularly when they put other people at risk.
That’s why the 1st Amendment doesn’t cover yelling “Fire!” in a crowded movie theater, as the tried and true example goes. While, in theory, freedom of speech hypothetically means you should be free to yell “Fire!” whenever and wherever you want, the danger of causing a stampede that will result in people being trampled and possibly killed overrides your right to free speech.
See also: Why a certain tangerine nightmare is no longer allowed to tweet incendiary lies that result in people, oh, attempting to overthrow the legislative branch of the government, causing the deaths of multiple people. (Also, 1st Amendment doesn’t cover private whose TOS one agrees to when creating one’s account.)
Again, this is a longstanding legal tradition. The government has been mandating vaccines for over 120 years now. The only reason THIS particular mandate for this particular vaccine is controversial is because it’s coming from Democratic lawmakers. I guarantee, were the Depends-wearing pumpkin still in office, the “personal freedomz!!!111″ crowd would have no issue with vaccine mandates–unless they came from, oh, female and/or Democratic governors, such as Kate Brown (Oregon) and Gretchen Whitmer (Michigan).
So. Spare me the science denial, or the patriotic indignation. It’s all a smokescreen for what’s really going on: a bunch of special snowflakes got upset because their guy lost, so they’re taking it out on the wellbeing of the entire country. *golf clap*
November 28th, 2021
And speaking of Michigan…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/25/covid-cases-increase-michigan-minnesota/
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GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. — At Spectrum Health, a major health-care system here, officials spent part of last week debating whether to move to “red status” in a show of how strained hospitals had become.
A flood of mostly unvaccinated covid-19 patients was arriving at emergency departments already packed with people suffering other medical issues, sending capacity to unprecedented levels. The only hesitation for Spectrum’s decision-makers? Data suggested the covid surge was not over.
“We don’t have a darker color,” said Darryl Elmouchi, president of Spectrum Health West Michigan. “So if we’re red now, what are we in two weeks?”
He and other leaders ultimately decided Thursday to make the change, upgrading the health-care system to the most serious tier for the first time since the pandemic began. In recent days, the state had emerged as a new covid hot spot, leading the nation in new infections and hospitalizations. By the end of last week, its seven-day average of new cases had hit a pandemic high. State leaders asked the U.S. Department of Defense to provide emergency hospital staffing to handle the surge — a request granted Wednesday.
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I literally have family that have worked at Spectrum Health. I had my appendix removed at Butterworth Hospital before they became part of Spectrum Health. At this point, I’m almost relieved my grandmother lives in east Michigan, where it tends to be more liberal, because hospitals there probably aren’t being hit quite as hard.
When you think your 87yo grandmother might get better healthcare in FLINT, MICHIGAN than at Spectrum Health facilities in Grand Rapids, and when you’re glad your 65yo aunt’s arthritis got so bad she had to stop working at Spectrum Health a few years ago because it has probably kept her safe and sane, then something is seriously messed up.
November 28th, 2021
This idea that the hospitals are full of unvaccinated may not be true; in fact, the trend seems to going the other way: https://fullfact.org/health/economist-vaccination-status/
November 28th, 2021
@royalq
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
“Comparisons of the absolute numbers, as some headlines do, is making a mistake that’s known in statistics as a ‘base rate fallacy’: it ignores the fact that one group is much larger than the other. It is important to avoid this mistake, especially now, as in more and more countries the number of people who are vaccinated against COVID-19 is much larger than the number of people who are unvaccinated”
November 28th, 2021
Ok I work in a hospital. Mind you it is In Canada so I can’t comment on American hospitals. Yet I can say this virus has been hard on us. I have seen people quit working in the ICU because they have burned out. I am burning out and thinking about quitting too. Audio books gets me some escape from the stress of working. What bugs me the most is seeing people miss cancer treatments because we don’t have the staff to do it. People are leaving. This is real and I really don’t give a dam about your freedom.
Last point. I lost all respect for anti vaccine people when they threatened me when I was going to work to save peoples life’s. I was yelled at spit on and threatened with death for working in a hospital. This is the attitude of anti vaxxers.
Well that is my 2 cents.
November 28th, 2021
Oh if you don’t believe me about the death threats. Look it online . The Canadian government is now passing a law that makes it illegal to protest in front of a hospital.
November 28th, 2021
@cluckers - God bless you for what you do.
November 28th, 2021
@cluckers: Would be nice if antivaxxers could see reality and not loonie conspiracy stories.
November 28th, 2021
@bamacowboy1 the vaccine killed the 26 year old
November 28th, 2021
@Gweilo said that Australia did a perfect job with Covid. Australia is a police state with zero freedoms. Covid doesn’t even chart on things that scare me. I was just around 100K people last night for the 7th time this fall.
Covid can’t hurt me. Get that body fat below 8% and you don’t need to live in fear. I’m not a mask or experimental therapeutic guy myself.
November 28th, 2021
The vaccine was prepared $20 billion and now charge $4000 to insurance or the government. I don’t need the vaccine. The vaccine causes ADE plus causes variants. If you want it then get it. Your vaccine protects you, right?
@Gweilo: so you’re happy to accept 1% death rate of Covid rather than .0001% for vaccination. For the world, that adds up to 80 million or so. 3 million in the US. That’s the cost of your plan. What’s the benefit? Sticking it to big pharma , by instead of taking a vaccine that earns them say $10, you are in ICU and earn them 1000 times that. Or you can’t get a bed in the ICU and die,because they’re 10 rimes over capacity with antivaxxers.
Your whole screed screams that you can’t conceive you will ever really suffer consequences. And you just don’t care how your choice would affect the community.
November 28th, 2021
Anything that covers it’s face in public should be exterminated.
November 29th, 2021
@tjtennispro: “police state”???? I live in Australia, and you have no clue about what is happening here. Coincidentally, just went to vote today in the council election, so somehow we are still a democracy. That’s how we elect our government. We can change it if they overstep; without any need for violence or insurrection.
“Get that body fat below 8% and you don’t need to live in fear.” — Having abs of steel doesn’t scare Covid.
https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/sports-news-covid-19-complete-list-of-sports-deaths-due-to-coronavirus-pandemic/349879
“The vaccine causes ADE plus causes variants.”
– Delta started in India, and Omicron in South Africa. Both regions with low vaccination rates. Actually, Delta was around before vaccination. As well as a lot of other variants that didn’t hit big time.
November 30th, 2021
@Gweilo so why are all these variants popping up in 80% vaccinated areas? The vaccine is the bio weapon.
November 30th, 2021
@Gweilo 90% of people In the hospital in Nashville and Atlanta are vaccinated. I can’t remember the last time an unvaccinated person I know even caught Covid.
December 1st, 2021
@tjtennispro: Antivaxxer nutjob.
If 80% are vaccinated, 20% are unvaccinated. Those are the id1ots spreading it.
Nashville:
“Tennessee hospitals are setting new records each day, caring for more covid patients than ever, including 3,846 of the more than 100,000 Americans hospitalized with the virus as of Sept. 9. The most critical patients are almost all unvaccinated, hospital officials say”
https://khn.org/news/article/icu-filled-with-covid-and-regret-nashville-hospital/
Yeah, Deep State, Fauci is a lizard man, MSM conspiracy. The Truth is Out There.
December 1st, 2021
I’m rather amused at how tjtennispro keeps making all these wacky claims that can easily be debunked with a Google search.
Oh, right. Google is Big Tech, huh?
Still doesn’t explain the lack of a single link to support the claims tjtennispro keeps making.
December 2nd, 2021
What “RACE” of name is “berenson”?
Or religion if you’d like.
If its an israeli WMD, what “RACE” is SIGNIFICANT!
December 4th, 2021
the comments on these types of books are great. Such entertainment.
The jab is basically dividing the entire world. Exactly what the elites want. Well played demons.. well played.
December 6th, 2021
All these comments from people terrified to admit they were duped by corporate media for a year, and refuse to read the book for that reason.
Not sure what’s funnier: people being too scared to admit they fell for corporate lies and corrupt government, or that they desperately want others to share in their mistake — so they want to keep them from reading (listening to) a book.
Listen to the book you clowns, rip the bandaid off.
December 7th, 2021
@peterno0ne “duped by corporate media”. Yeah, like the Fox corporation, where this dickwad Berenson regularly features, that daily spreads misinformation disparaging all attempts to reduce the spread of the virus, while internally having vaccine mandates and masking rules.
“corrupt government”, yeah, “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”
December 27th, 2021
It’s “Gods Will” if you die by “Natural Selection” of weak genes and are not a viable (human) being to build the immunity necessary to survive.
In every other pandemic the world has ever recorded…. Guess what, they all had to end at some point and you know what else… Not a single one of these past epidemics was a vaccine necessary for them to end.
Sometimes, nature has you by the balls. You either evolve or perish. Sucks to say it that way, but let’s face the facts… Historically, we as a biological being have been facing extinction in one form or another since the beginning of time.
If people are afraid of becoming sick and or dying then “THEY” SHOULD BE THE ONES STAYING INDOORS. Let the rest of the world continue to function normally. We can’t live in a bubble. You are either strong enough to survive or you are not. Period.
And like I said in the beginning…. It’s Gods Will if you live or die.
For all you opinionated, judging, self important religious folks, stop being afraid to meet your maker.
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